OLDMAN wrote:Oh how times change - when I went to Sutton (primary and boys) if you did wrong you got something that now seems to have died, or has been pushed out
It was called PUNISHMENT!
Here here! And you can draw a line that correlates neatly between lack of parental discipline, and the increase takes a sharp turn upwards right around 2005:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4175905.stm
You see, a lot of people wrongly think that was a ban on smacking, and so don't smack their children. And the ones that want a total smacking ban are so inanely moronic...I heard some prat on Woman's Hour about 2 weeks ago (I was listening by accident, OK?!) who couldn't see the difference between mild disciplinary smacking and beating the crap out of kids like on the advert.
As we're talking about Alfred Sutton, one of my earlier memories happened outside AS Primary. Some kid ran straight into the road, and was clipped by (of all things) a Reliant Robin! Because it only brushed him due to some sharp braking/swerving, he thought all the hysteria from parents around was funny, and ran back giggling. His mum has his trousers down there and then and gave him several hard smacks to the backside!
I'd guess he was about 3 or 4.
That was it, nothing else was said. Now let's look at two scenarios:
The child was one second and a skilled driver/luck away from either death or serious injury. He thought the near miss was a joke.
The result of an instant smack was that he knows this action of running into the road actually results in pain.
The result of no smacking is that he might think its a joke. And don't give me this "you sit down later and talk to them gently" nonsense. Anyone who's read any books about child psychology or met a 3 year old know that doesn't work.
So, onto violent children:
Young children are, essentially, animals rapidly developing into humans. When a horse is young, if it tries to nip you, you hit it (not around the head, and you DON'T beat it or use violence) but you let it know that's not to be done. Otherwise, you end up with a useless and dangerous horse.
Some undisciplined children will quickly develop the emotional intelligence to make judgements on how things work around them, but some will just see a "getting away with it" culture. I did plumbing at TVU, which meant that 2/3 of the people around me had done time, and they see prison and the police as a joke. They don't care. They know their rights but not responsibilities. Fail them in a test? You're a racist! (Or "your a rascist" as they'd put it!)
We need a change of government and a change of culture, fast. Bobbies back on the beat, playstations out of the bedroom and mobiles out of the classroom. And if that sounds a bit Conservative, then what the heck, it's coming in a year or so, so if you don't like it, tough